#Anti Zuko Stan’s

[atla-confessions]

Fandom especially Zuko stans love to coddle zuko and minimize every other characters trauma to elivate his. And as much as I love the Zukka ship they are a major culprit of this. because I am tired of where Sokka is played as furthering Zuko's trauma with his callousness and can't he see that Zuko is fragile. Alot of fans take one of the greatest things about Zuko his fire and his rage In the pursuit of making him the perfect whumpy victim and it's just sooo sad. like I know of the gang Sokka and Toph have the least talked about trauma but they are still traumatized.

Also Zuko is not unconfrontational with the exception of Katara he is probably the most confrontational people in the series.

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[queen-morgana91]

live zuko and aang reaction to the ass takes about them in atla fandom

[maikingsenseofit]

I find it so funny that Zutaras, for generations, wrote entire think pieces about how Mai is:

1. Too Apolitical and apathetic to be a Firelady

2. Completely selfish and always acting in her own best interest

3. Would only hinder Zuko’s progress as a Firelord

All in attempt to diminish her character and try and prove Katara of all people would be a better Firelady.

Now we have CANON to confirm that Mai is fearless and a staunch advocate for undoing years of fire nation propaganda. And that she’s willing to drop everything to help Zuko in a noble cause - including teaching a new generation of kids the truth about the hundred year war.

Suck. On. That.

[katy-89]

save me characters who are still hated and mischaracterized in 2024 for the sake of a fanon ship save meeeee

[beifong-brainrot]

One thing I don't get about the atla fandom is why so many people are so desperate to somehow prove Zuko was a good person from the begining of the show. Or that he was somehow innately better and kinder than any other fire national.

I've seen this point tossed around a lot and I can kinda see where its coming from but like.... guys. Yon Rha did that too. You know the guy who traumatised Katara for life and took her mother? He did it almost word for word.

He went on in there looking for a singular genocide survivor, found that survivor. The survivor gave themselves up after he promised to leave the village alone.

The only difference is that instead of killing Aang on the spot, Zuko took that 12 year old hostage with the goal of handing him over to the Fire Lord to be kept in conditions described as "You'll be kept alive. Barely" by Zhao.

Zuko's paralels to Yon Rha and his poor morals in the begining are crucial to his arc and to his and Katara's relationship.

Hell, you could even point out how similarly shaped the scarlet detailing on the Southern Raiders' helmets and Zuko's scar are.

[kidcaroline]

accusing kataang to be "hero gets the girl" (reducing katara to "the girl" ok) when actually "hero gets the girl" fits more....Zuko and Mai

accusing aang, the genocide survivor, to be rewarded by the narrative when the character who got totally forgiveness (way too fast from the gaang), the throne, iroh back, his mother back and a "new better sister" is....zuko, not aang

mind you, i love zuko and maiko, but certain people here should stop projecting their nonsense onto aang

[katerina-q]

Sorry but I can't take seriously Zuko/Zutara stans complaining about "Zuko the colonizer" posts when many of you are literally calling a 12 year old Aang ( a pacifist monk and a genocide survivor) rapist, incel, abuser, selfish and misogynist.

There is a whole anti aang tag here on tumblr of Zutara shippers saying the most horrible shit about him, all because your ship is not canon (yes that's the real and only reason)

You have no fucking right to talk.

[dragonfoxandfound]

Kataang shipper: Zuko wanted Katara to kill Yon Ra he even encouraged it

My brother/sister/nb-sib in christ, Zuko had the chance to kill Ozai his father who scarred and banished him, the man who all but ruined his entire life.

Zuko even tried to save Zhao, the man who tried to kill him multiple times.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

[coconutsaiyan]

Why are zutara shippers getting upset about how the fire nation is shown to do shitty things?

They act like they’re from the fire nation lol

[burst-of-iridescent]

i really hate it when people act as though zuko is being selfish or self-serving in some way when he tells aang in the finale that the only choice he has is to kill ozai because a) at this point, zuko is right and b) zuko's brutal honesty here is coming from a place of fear for both aang and the world.

are we all forgetting that unlearning his own idealization of his father and realizing that ozai never had been, and was never going to be, the person zuko thought he was, was a significant part of zuko's own arc? it took him sixteen years to understand that giving ozai any grace or understanding or forgiveness was a mistake, because it would be just another tool for ozai to manipulate him with. and that's not zuko's fault, because he was an abused child growing up in an incredibly damaging environment, but it does make sense that he doesn't want anyone else, especially aang, doing the same thing.

zuko is harsh on aang here because he sees in aang the person that he used to be - the innocent, naive kid who wanted so desperately to believe that ozai wasn't a monster, that there was any shred of humanity within him at all to be appealed to. it's not a coincidence in this show so rife with parallels that aang goes to face ozai at around the same age that zuko has his agni kai. and what did it get zuko, when he threw himself at his father's mercy and counted on ozai's non-existent humanity and compassion to save him?

zuko isn't coming down hard on aang because he's angry that "aang won't do his dirty work for him" or whatever other bullshit version of this argument i've seen zuko antis make - he HAS to impress upon aang how dire this situation is because he knows better than anyone that believing for even a second that ozai can be redeemed is incredibly dangerous. aang cannot give ozai an inch because it will only be used against him (and indeed, this does happen in the final battle when aang turns down the opportunity to redirect lightning at ozai and in return ozai presses his advantage to the point where aang would almost certainly have been killed if not for rock ex-machina).

furthermore, this idea that zuko wanted ozai dead for self-serving reasons doesn't really have much basis either, because if that was the case zuko could have just killed ozai himself during the solstice. he doesn't because at that point, he still had an alternative: aang (and you'll notice his word choices never explicitly refer to what ozai's fate will be; it's only "i'm going to help him defeat you" or "taking you down is the avatar's destiny"). as with many abused children, it's likely that zuko himself didn't really know if he wanted his father dead, but when it came down to the final battle without any other viable options presenting themselves, it was something he had to resign himself - and aang - to.

zuko himself does not lack faith in others (in fact, his whole journey is about understanding that his love for and belief in humanity is a strength, not a weakness) but he's learned the hard way that having this faith in the wrong people can result in devastating consequences, especially when the stakes are so high.

i imagine it terrified zuko to see the echoes of his younger self in aang, knowing he's sending him to face his father at the height of his power. at this point, with no knowledge of energybending or any alternative way to defeat ozai, well aware that a fight with his father can only end in bloodshed, zuko has no choice but to give aang the reality of the situation: kill, or be killed and doom the world alongside you.

[johnskleats]

Azula would have lost the Final Agni Kai no matter what. Here's why:

Azula is insecure. That's why she takes cheap shots. She did it with Katara, and she did it with Aang in CoD, AND she did it with Iroh striking him with lightning. One could even argue that her behavior in CoD foreshadows some of what happens in the Agni Kai, where in CoD, Katara fights Azula, and Zuko saves her, whereas in the Final Agni Kai, Zuko fights Azula and saves Katara. It's a little mismatch of dynamics.

Azula cheating (constantly), is a staple of dishonorable behavior, which I think is interesting.

We see her "play with her food" like a cat, with the Dai Lee and other opponents she encounters. She tricks them and manipulates them and there's no threat. Killing Aang with lightning was SUPREMELY stupid on her part, and she wouldn't have done it unless she was cornered. She didn't even stick around to make sure he was dead or have any of them followed-- because she was scared. Zuko NEVER flees in fights out of fear. He doubles down like a lunatic and tries to get himself killed instead. Azula is not willing to risk her life, and that's why she's a worse fighter. The insecurity gets to her head and she psychs herself out

Azula has a lot of fire power (lol), but Zuko has the heart and commitment to see actions through to the end. That's why he would have won, had Azula not cheated.

By the end, they were evenly matched in firepower anyway. They did the Raging Line of Flames Competing Colors thing and met in the middle, and stayed there. That's how animation tells us about their ability.

Azula's seat of power in her firebending is spite and fear. She's not even mad, bro.

Zuko's seat of power, at the end, is light and life and love. One is a powder keg that runs out after you blow it up once, and the other is like an oil fire in a parking lot. There's essentially infinite fuel there.

Zuko would have certainly outlasted her. And did, if you think about it. Because she panicked.

Azula's entire persona is a mask, just as Zuko's bravado and pettiness in the first season was a mask. (Funny, that he can only be himself when he's hidden the scar with the blue spirit mask, therefore freeing himself of the shame and the mark that brands him as a villain)

They show us that Azula's mask is not only slipping, but cracking, crumbling in the mirror scene. That's why it's there: to show the audience that all of her running has finally caught up with her.

This world that Azula created has been a sham from the beginning. Castles in the sky to make up for what she lacks: love.

Which is why she would never win against Zuko if they both reached their full potential, as they did during the comet.

[zukodragon]

someone should study these people's brains

[queen-morgana91]

They way certain people here want Katara to be a woman with no agency over her life and marriage, miserable, unhappy, abused and used as an incubator by the evil monk Aang....so sad.

She's a hero, powerful, the master of water bending, in love and happy :) And she’s loved and respected by Aang

If she was unhappy with Aang, she would have dropped his ass in 0.5 seconds. Yes the real Katara can do that, unlike your cinderella self insert

You all reducing one of the strongest, most interesting, and dynamically written characters in the show to misogynistic tropes and theories just because you don't like the boy she ended up with. You are literally making up things to be mad about. This is hilarious

Well you can stay mad forever lol

[prisi]

"Katara is just a trophy for Aang" and then they say that Zuko deserved Katara because he redeemed himself.

They're not complaining because they think Katara is treated like a trophy (which she's not btw), they're complaining because she's not Zuko's trophy.

[katy-89]

A certain people of a certain fanbase....in 2024

[emrys-merlin]

I'm in many fandoms, but never in my life have I seen something like this

Being this mad and angry that the fire nation (the nation that in the canon series started a war, committed two genocide and colonized the world) are written as shitty people in a new book in the Sozin's era is truly something else

Wtf? It's funny because even Zuko acknowledge how shitty his nation was in book 3 :/

Also yall are accusing "Kataang fandom" to praise Bryke's writing.....aren't yall still obsessing over atla as well, Bryke's creation? Aren't yall still obsessing over Zuko and his redemption arc, written by Bryke? We are pretending that Zuko is written by poc writers now? How does that work? Atla is good or bad when it's convenient?

Aren't yall still praising Dante Basco, even if he made weird comments about Mai and Katara (even Janet was visibly uncomfortable with it)?

And please, stop pretending that you care about Aang's writing. You don't. None of you care. You are just mad that he ended up with Katara, and that’s ruined your self insert ship with Zuko. That’s the real reason you all hate Aang. That's why all the anti aang posts are about Zutara and made by Zutara fans

If y'all truly care about "non-celibate monk" you wouldn't have shipped him with Toph 🤦‍♂️

Atla fandom is genuinely one of the worst fandom ever

A cartoon for kids holy shit....